Rachel Maddow’s MSNBC show Monday night featured an interview with Wisconsin state Sen. Jon Erpenbach (D-umb).

Yes, Erpenbach actually said “off the record” on live television (around 7:42 of the clip).

Maddow: Sen. Erpenbach, are there any Republicans who are thinking about siding with Democrats on this issue – that may be the way this ends at this point.

Erpenbach: Off the record?

Maddow: Yeah, except we’re on TV . . .

Erpenbach: Yeah, so I can’t speak for them, but off the record . . .

Afterward, Maddow said:

You know, that’s every interviewer’s dream: A person who looks at you on television live and says, Is this off the record? It’s ab-so-lute-ly perfect.

And ab-so-lute-ly stupid, don’t forget.